WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.400 --> 00:00:05.320 The Northern Ireland Assembly appoints ministers to sit on the Executive Committee 2 00:00:05.320 --> 00:00:09.560 and is responsible for scrutinising the work of the Executive and holding it to account. 3 00:00:10.640 --> 00:00:14.920 The Assembly has a Statutory Committee to shadow each government department and minister. 4 00:00:15.200 --> 00:00:20.200 The Committees don't just have a scrutiny role, they also advise and assist ministers. 5 00:00:20.200 --> 00:00:22.960 So what exactly do Statutory Committees do? 6 00:00:23.160 --> 00:00:26.000 And how important are they in our devolved system of government? 7 00:00:26.480 --> 00:00:28.280 Are they powerful and effective? 8 00:00:28.680 --> 00:00:31.640 Do they significantly influence decisions made by ministers 9 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:34.160 and the laws passed by the Assembly? 10 00:00:34.480 --> 00:00:38.440 Do they help the Assembly fulfil its role of representing the people of Northern Ireland 11 00:00:38.760 --> 00:00:42.440 so that we can play our part in shaping government decisions? 12 00:00:42.720 --> 00:00:46.160 There's a Statutory Committee for each department and their role 13 00:00:46.160 --> 00:00:49.760 is to scrutinise the work of that department, of the minister 14 00:00:49.920 --> 00:00:53.840 and whatever policies they're pursuing, whatever legislation they're bringing through, 15 00:00:53.840 --> 00:00:57.200 how they're spending the budgets that have been allocated to them. 16 00:00:57.200 --> 00:01:00.080 What their objectives are, how well they're meeting those objectives. 17 00:01:00.080 --> 00:01:01.200 So it's really… 18 00:01:01.200 --> 00:01:03.360 it's really to understand the work of the department, 19 00:01:03.400 --> 00:01:05.080 to understand the work of the minister, 20 00:01:05.080 --> 00:01:09.080 to examine that, to scrutinise it on behalf of the people who elect us. 21 00:01:09.080 --> 00:01:12.840 Because the function of the Committee is to serve, as the function of the Assembly 22 00:01:12.840 --> 00:01:16.120 is to serve, the people who elect us here. But overall, 23 00:01:16.360 --> 00:01:19.920 the role of all the Committees is to hold the Executive team to account 24 00:01:19.920 --> 00:01:21.800 and to hold the departments to account. 25 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:24.920 In this Assembly, you do not have an Opposition. 26 00:01:25.480 --> 00:01:29.240 All the parties are involved in the Executive. 27 00:01:30.240 --> 00:01:38.560 There is a gap therefore, in this legislature between the Executive and the Assembly itself, 28 00:01:40.040 --> 00:01:45.160 in terms of challenging government policy. 29 00:01:45.560 --> 00:01:50.640 So whilst individual MLAs may feel constrained 30 00:01:50.640 --> 00:01:54.920 in challenging the government's policy, 31 00:01:54.920 --> 00:01:59.600 or Parties may feel restrained in challenging government policy, 32 00:01:59.600 --> 00:02:06.240 Committees can because they're made up of all the Parties, and they can challenge a minister 33 00:02:06.240 --> 00:02:09.640 on a detail of policy or the policy itself. 34 00:02:09.640 --> 00:02:12.240 And that's why they're very important. 35 00:02:12.400 --> 00:02:13.960 Well, we don't have specific powers 36 00:02:13.960 --> 00:02:17.000 in the sense that we can't go to a minister and say, 37 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:19.040 "You shall change this, 38 00:02:19.040 --> 00:02:25.240 because we have decided unanimously that this is wrong." 39 00:02:25.520 --> 00:02:31.360 What the committee can do is to say to the minister, 40 00:02:31.360 --> 00:02:34.400 "Look, you've got this wrong. We think you should change it." 41 00:02:34.840 --> 00:02:40.800 And in the event of a Committee challenging a minister 42 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:44.480 on a point of policy or a point of detail, 43 00:02:45.440 --> 00:02:50.160 I believe, that normally you will get a positive response from a minister. 44 00:02:50.360 --> 00:02:53.800 They have what are called the powers to call for persons and papers, 45 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:58.720 and that essentially just means that they can demand and instruct anyone 46 00:02:58.760 --> 00:03:02.280 to come to them and give them evidence from the department, 47 00:03:02.280 --> 00:03:06.760 any of the officials, they can ask for sight of papers that are in the department. 48 00:03:06.760 --> 00:03:09.600 So they have a fairly wide range of margins, these are statutory powers, 49 00:03:09.600 --> 00:03:13.400 people are obliged to obey them. Now, it's not to be used in… 50 00:03:13.400 --> 00:03:17.040 either a frivolous way or some way which is not appropriate. 51 00:03:17.040 --> 00:03:19.840 But if they… if the committee wants to do its job, 52 00:03:19.920 --> 00:03:21.960 which is to scrutinise the work of the department, 53 00:03:21.960 --> 00:03:24.920 then they have to have access to all of the people in the department. 54 00:03:24.920 --> 00:03:28.000 They have to have access to all of the materials, that they are using, within reason. 55 00:03:28.000 --> 00:03:31.560 But the experience here to date is they've used that in a good way, 56 00:03:31.600 --> 00:03:35.400 not in a way which is trying to just undermine or just score political points, 57 00:03:35.400 --> 00:03:37.840 but actually to effectively perform their duties. 58 00:03:39.960 --> 00:03:44.560 Statutory Committees have a central role to play in the Assembly's law making process. 59 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:50.120 They take the Committee's stage of primary Bills and also consider secondary legislation. 60 00:03:50.600 --> 00:03:54.000 Primary legislation sets out the aims and main points of law. 61 00:03:54.040 --> 00:03:57.600 Secondary legislation, called Statutory Rules in Northern Ireland, 62 00:03:57.600 --> 00:04:00.160 updates existing laws or adds detail. 63 00:04:00.440 --> 00:04:04.720 Certainly it can be quite a lengthy process and a very detailed process. 64 00:04:04.920 --> 00:04:08.920 It's the Committee's role to look at legislation line by line 65 00:04:09.040 --> 00:04:12.360 and to agree or to amend where appropriate. 66 00:04:12.600 --> 00:04:14.960 And at that stage, it's the opportunity for the Committee then 67 00:04:14.960 --> 00:04:18.240 to make recommendations to the department under the minister. 68 00:04:18.240 --> 00:04:22.960 And very often if we have evidence to support our suggestion, 69 00:04:22.960 --> 00:04:25.040 the minister will then take that onboard. 70 00:04:25.280 --> 00:04:27.600 In the Justice Committee we dealt with a very... 71 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:35.400 big Justice Bill, dealing with a wide range of different issues. 72 00:04:35.440 --> 00:04:38.720 And we went through the Bill clause by clause. 73 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:43.760 r And we scrutinised various aspects of the Bill. 74 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:48.960 And I have to say that we were very successful in persuading the minister to... 75 00:04:49.560 --> 00:04:55.600 as it were, tailor the Bill in accordance with the views of the Committee. 76 00:04:55.920 --> 00:04:59.040 In the Committee of Agriculture and Rural Development, 77 00:04:59.040 --> 00:05:03.600 we brought forward significant changes to legislation within the Forestry Bill, 78 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:08.440 changes that were accepted by the department and were taken forward then. 79 00:05:08.440 --> 00:05:11.720 And obviously that proved positive to the outcome of that legislation 80 00:05:11.720 --> 00:05:13.680 and made it much more workable and practical. 81 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:17.400 Most Bills are introduced to the Assembly by ministers. 82 00:05:17.880 --> 00:05:21.720 MLAs can also propose legislation and so can Committees. 83 00:05:21.800 --> 00:05:25.360 This Committee power is a tool to hold ministers to account 84 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:29.160 by making the point that legislation is needed in a particular area 85 00:05:29.160 --> 00:05:30.920 and the minister has not recognised this.